Stable datums: Ethics is rationality. Applied in reverse: suppression. 1
Independent Scientologists are Scientologists who recognize that the current Church of Scientology management is out-ethics, out-tech and off policy and is thus losing the technology of Dianetics and Scientology.2
Indie Scientologists have declared Independence from the Church of Scientology and wish to freely practice our faith without harassment.
We are not here to smear L. Ron Hubbard. LRH put together the workable technology that is Scientology. Other groups, sites and blogs are free to voice their opinions on such. I don’t want to be a part of that kind of group. Here, I like to help others. Stating facts are fine. Questions are fine and welcome.
In this, understand that this is an Indie SCIENTOLOGY group. The definition of the group is in the name. The source of Scientology is LRH and Scientology is the technology that we like to use in our daily lives.
The CoS made a bad name for Ethics because for three decades they applied it reverse to destroy people.
Ethics tech is valid. Getting Ethics in is how you HELP people who are out ethics.
Scientologists from earlier days had plenty of time to attack the malignant heart of CoS corruption and refused. They are now being bypassed per the Senior Danger formula.
They can’t plead ignorance as CoS corruption is common knowledge worldwide.
This is why the Freezone, in 30 years, has never made any impact on the world stage, never gotten into the news or media, never created any broad respect for the tech or the philosophy, never made ANY strategic progress.
Many “Scientologists” sold out by accepting money from the CoS. Tommy Davis did. The Freezone sold out as well — but not for money. They sold out for protection.
The CoS runs what is essentially a “protection racket.” A protection racket is an extortion scheme whereby a criminal group or individual coerces a victim (usually a business) to cooperate or pay money, supposedly for protection services against violence or property damage from the very people who are extorting cooperation. In the case of the CoS, the scheme involves (until I personally blew the whistle on it in the Tampa Bay Times http://www.tampabay.com/components/video/?bctid=31474185001) both handing over huge sums of cash AND cooperating through silence.
OSA’s deal to the Freezone was: “Be silent and we’ll leave you alone.” An arrogant little snot from OSA Int, Aaron Mason, briefed me on the program — snickering about OSA’s victory in corrupting the Freezone people — in 2001 while I was still at the Int base.
The CoS then promptly *double crossed* the Freezone, already heavily infiltrated, by launching a covert campaign to generate out tech within their ranks, i.e., squirrel auditing, mixing rundowns and repairs, etc. to mess up cases on the theory that destroying their case gains would eventually cause the group to collapse. I learned about this at Int before I even left! Today there is even a Freezone “auditor” who delivers NOTs to people who aren’t even Clear! People think squirreling just “happens” — no stupid — it is made to happen by OSA because some people refused to pay the price of freedom: constant alertness and constant willingness to fight back.
The Freezone was considered by OSA to be totally in their pocket, quiet as a mouse. OSA’s objective for anyone leaving is SILENCE. That’s what their money, extortion, blackmail, harassment, PIs, dirty tricks, defamation, coercion and lies are ALL intended to purchase.
Money for silence; or in the case of the Freezone, OSA offered a “truce” — protection — for silence. But it wasn’t really a truce. OSA attacks on the Freezone continued as covert operations instead overt legal attacks and harassment.
As a group, the Freezone has zero ethics presence, zero integrity, and that’s why not a single major media or news crew has ever written 10 words about them — they aren’t even up to Non Existence. They do not know who their friends are.
And now that Independent Scientologists ARE making it safe for them with a ferocious over-the-top firestorm of relentless exposure and fierce hand-to-hand fighting, a few individuals within the Freezone want us to recognize THEM as the original “Indies”? They are deserters, traitors, cowards who ran away and left the rest of us to DIE on the battlefield and that word “die” is no exaggeration. I have plenty of friends who did die. How many hundreds of unborn children were murdered by David Miscavige’s Fetus Extermination Order #1 of 1986? This demonic leader is a mass murderer and the Freezone people stood back and let all that happen.
Many or most of them in the Freezone have no idea what we are even doing today in Independent Scientology or what we are about. One of their head honchos, Ian Waxler, just wrote yesterday to me, “RATHER than taking pot shots at anyone who’s program you disagree with, why not put up some positive ideas? If you feel you can ‘set the world on fire’ with your plans… well, we are ‘all ears’”
“All ears,” huh? I think having been one of two people who actually STARTED Independent Scientology is a pretty positive idea that DID set the Scientology world on fire. I think Scientology-cult.com, RediscoverScientology.com, FreeandAble.com, iScientology.org and more in the pipeline — each strategic — are all pretty positive ideas. I think the idea of single-handedly exposing CoS corporate RACKETEERING in the newspaper and getting it stopped without any help from the FBI is a pretty positive idea. And for info, I DID visit the FBI before I even built Scientology-cult.com — part of my research during 2008. They told me the primary barrier I faced was that the truth was so incredible it was hard to believe.
My solution was to create a multiple viewpoint system (LRH management tech) online called Scientology-cult.com to start the process of running out the GROUP ENGRAM. I personally was the first to do that.
Maybe the problem is bricks don’t have ears.
So if they don’ t even have a clue what we are doing, why are they even in our private facebook group, “Indie Scientologist”?
Apparently sometime after we formed our facebook group called “Indie Scientologist” where Indie Scientologists could connect with each other, Pat Krenik started inviting in a bunch of Freezoners.
And apparently it was also Pat Krenik who originally started pushing the OSA attack line, designed to de-power us, that Freezoners are the original “Indies” — poppycock!
Scientologists in the Freezone left you and me to die on the battlefield while they deserted and went off to quietly practice Scientology at home. They made a deal with the devil and the devil immediately double crossed them and got the Freezone riddled with out tech.
But miracle of miracles, lo and behold, we didn’t all DIE like they thought we would! After the Freezone people rowed away taking all the lifeboats with them, we survived but had to swim shark-infested waters alone. Some didn’t make it but some of us did make it to shore where, after a brief recuperation, we regrouped and counter attacked the citadels of Miscavigedome and now we are blasting his empire of disaster back into molten lava whence it came.
Then one day — surprise! Here are a bunch of deserters back in our midst, walking around in our camp, pretending to us, and advising us to lay down our weapons?
Two days ago the President of APIS wrote in facebook that all we are doing is “closing terminals with entheta.” Do you know what “closing terminals” means? It means to go into the valence of an SP and start being a mirror image of the SP. Is that what you are doing? Could anyone SAY anything more insulting?
These DESERTERS from the Freezone, from APIS, who left us to die are going to come in here and post a note full of the very OSA attack lines that prevailed upon them to DESERT their comrades and turn their back on the human race?
Just to be crystal clear with a supersonic boom, INDEPENDENT SCIENTOLOGY has never existed before. Freezoners of the ‘80s were NOT the “original indies” despite what some OSA-controlled enemy mouthpiece may suggest.
We are a FIRST.
Being an Independent Scientologist does not mean you have to spend all day every day exposing CoS corruption and crimes. But you call yourself an Independent Scientologist with a capital “I” you better damn well support the attack as THAT IS the core ideal that made us what we are. How do I know? Because I was the person who came up with the entire concept in December 2008 after a year of study and investigation, then built Scientology-cult.com to launch the idea and then worked with Marty and many others for the last few years to help turn that concept into a movement. So I, of all people, am qualified to define what has come to be known as an Independent Scientologist. Like it or not, I was the first one and that’s the truth.
If anyone doesn’t remember at the top of every page in Scientology-cult.com is a quotation that comes from Dr. Martin Luther King, “There is a time when silence becomes betrayal.” Embodied in those immortal words is the very definition of who and what an Independent Scientologist is AND also the definition of what the Freezone was.
These impostors in the APIS recently changed their name from “International Freezone Association” to “Association of Professional Independent Scientologists.” These guys are actively forwarding enemy propaganda that we are just an attack function, that we are NOT involved in auditing. Their president just wrote, explaining how they are different (presumable from us) the “APIS is not here for the purpose of attacking Miscavige… It is not here to form an army to ‘bring down’ Miscavige.”
We have tech delivery going all over the world. Take me as an example. I myself started Scientology-cult.com to run out our 3rd dynamic engram. It IS Group Dianetics in action. How did I learn Group Dianetics? I studied it in the 1990s — read everything LRH ever wrote on the subject. With 2.2 million hits and counting, that equates to getting tens of thousands of people into the session of running out this group engram. Is that a “positive idea” — apparently not according to Ian Waxler, APIS and Freezone fifth-columnist spokes-mouth.
The APIS pretends to be all about Standard Tech. But they won’t utter a word about the source of the out tech in their own field — the Church! That’s like letting a rapist into your house and while he is raping your daughter, you write a newsletter saying rape is wrong.
Here’s another theory: “standard tech” is just a *button* being pushed to gain our trust. Have you ever noticed that the APIS people are online all the time, always posting in our facebook group, trying to PR themselves? Seems kinda unusually coordinated right? Many people HAVE noticed it. Are they fifth columnists? I don’t know, but they HAVE taken on the color of an enemy by attacking our ideals.
Independent Scientology is ALL about delivering the tech WHILE we also are getting in ethics with TOTAL FEROCITY, because that is the only way to win against sociopath Miscavige, because he is vicious let me tell you.
If you do NOT support our efforts to expose David Miscavige and his supporters, you are NOT even remotely an Independent Scientologist, it’s that simple.
We never sold out. We didn’t desert our comrades. We do not work for OSA. We will not deal. We remain loyal to the human race. We are a FIRST and that is something to be proud of.
And that’s why we have the support of the world and the wind at our backs.
Tampabay.com – For 20 years of service, he got an $82,000 bill
When he left the church, former Scientologist Stephen Hall was presented with what is known as a
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Bob Grant This is too addictive.
Michael Moore Streve. Your information is not an a=a=a. It does not mean that all people prior to you holding up the banner were osa shits. There3 azre hundreds of auditors applying standard tec h auditing and training people.
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Steve Hall Well, then if you are such a bastion of fidelity, why oh why are you in here talking trash about our principles?
Michael Moore OK APIS. We have been around for some time. We have started up groups supprted groups. written heaps of DM, (Yes your not the first, instead of ranting how bad we are try reading some of the material we have issued first). We do not claim our website audits people. Thats squirrel. We simply follow the purposes laid down 9 years ago.
Preserve the exact technology and original workable philosophy of Lafayette Ron Hubbard for future use so it is available for all mankind.
Protect the exact technology and original workable philosophy of Lafayette Ron Hubbard so it is not altered, diluted or changed in anyway but remains exactly as Lafayette Ron Hubbard issued it.
Promote the exact technology and original workable philosophy of Lafayette Ron Hubbard so it may be known by all mankind
Foster, promote and develop fellowship and mutual aid among the APIS members within the framework of the constitution.
Establish communication and understanding among the members of the APIS and members of other communities.
Promote and sponsor educational activities that alert and teach the general public about the exact technology and original workable philosophy of Lafayette Ron Hubbard.
Defend APIS from any attempt to inhibit it’s existence and expansion from any quarter.
Michael Moore What trash, be specific. No generalities.
Steve Hall No ethics change.
Steve Hall Read the article I just posted at the top of the thread, genius, and the utterly inapplicable LRH quote you have posted twice.
Michael Moore You seem to be running on a concerted campaign to unmock APIS.
Steve Hall My information comes from the very OSA handlers who sabotaged the Freezone.
Steve Hall I’m trying to get your ethics in and they are out.
Steve Hall I’m exposing you as the imposter you are.
Michael Moore I posting it a second time as it is a LRH quote which you were arrogant enough to denigrate and I ssimpply pointed it out. The first time I posted it it was just a quote. no deep significance. not related to anything. If you observe I post lots of quotes. There was no significance to it. unless you believe there is.
Steve Hall You posted it as a rebuttal to who we are and what represent. You posted it to justify 3 decades of cowardice in the face of total suppression.
Steve Hall Good for you Roy. While the FZ was quietly auditing, people were dying inside the Church spiritually AND physically.
Steve Hall that was not directed at you Roy.
Roy Selby Acknowledge Steve, and much appreciated.
Roy Selby Above should be “Acknowledged” Steve……
Here is what they they have *really* produced in the Physical Universe: as of May, 2010 twenty-eight (28) Ron Hubbard books, lectures and other materials have been *BANNED* in Russia with criminal penalties for possession of them. And that shows that all Bill Robertson’s Super-Duper “OT Levels” they deliver do not produce OT’s who can get a physical universe product. Instead, they produce a bunch of theetie-wheetie no-responsility cases — a state which Ron Hubbard used to call “up-the-pole”.
In addition to that, NOTS was developed by Ron Hubbard himself, to save his own physical body which was in immediate danger of dying from a severe stroke. Oh yes, David Mayo was his auditor whilst NOTS was being developed on a crash priority basis, but it was Ron Hubbard himself who developed the theory and processes.
My point being that the NOTS case can *KILL* people – and yet you support and condone Bill Robertson’s squirreling of NOTS, which is potentially *LETHAL*. How many people has Excalibur (Bill Robertson’s changes to NOTS procedure) *KILLED* or driven mad ? Ron’s Org ain’t promoting that, now are they ? We ** KNOW ** that squirreling NOTS is lethal because we can see that result from David Miscavige’s having squirreled it in the Church of Black Scientology.
You need to raise your confront and take a good hard look at Ron’s Org’s *REAL WORLD* products and stop listening to the fuckin’ PR.
LOOK! DON’T LISTEN!
Indie 500 #99
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Bob Grant I don’t know much about Ron’s Orgs or what they do or don’t do, but I’d hesitate before I lay the ‘blame’ for government suppression on them. The CofS is shooting itself in the foot just like it is all over Europe. I do agree that Scientologists in tho…See More
Steve Hall Per KSW #1, “Attacks from governments or monopolies occur only where there are ‘no results’ or ‘bad results.'”
Steve Hall Until WE clean up the criminality, abuse, suppression and out tech, attacks just come with the territory. Roll with them and keep putting in order.
Ingrid Smith What I am so grossed out by is that OSA actually instilled out tech in the FZ and I am sure they are working hard to make it happen in the Indie field. What I get from Steve and Marty is that OSA is continuosly and covertly operating-NONSTOP. We have to be constantly alert.
Michael Hobson Bob Grant Ron’s Org in Russia- which outnumbers the Church of Black Scientology membership and staff there by over 100-to-1 – has done zip, zero and nada to put in Ethics on Darth Midget’s crowd in Russia at the very least. Russia is supposed to be their Zone of Control so don’t get bloody reasonable about them, please.
Bob Grant Steve, I think there is more to it than what LRH said back when he wrote that policy, CofS activities that as far as I know didn’t really occur back then to such a great extent, namely ‘fair game’ and ‘disconnection’. Those two activities, sanctioned …See More
Bob Grant Mike, I’m not reasonable, but I”m not going to rush to judgement either. I commented that the Scientologists in those areas should take responsibility to separate the antics of the CofS from the subject, just as Marty did a while back. That they didn’t, or at least I’m not aware that they did, brings up the question, “Why?”.
Betsy Reppen More startling revelations on what we are dealing with here. Thank you for bringing our confront up on OSA and their dirty tactics and the dupes that fell into their hands. This info will help us all to be more vigilent. “Price of Freedom: constant alertness, constant willingness to fight back. There is no other price.” LRH
Gary Jackson Morehead Mr. Moore and others reading here…. It is my observed opinion that the sheer mention of the word “Freezone” produces the same physical and emotional reaction(s) one has when you read, see and hear about “Xenu” outside what IS a standard advanced Scn course room! The use of “Freezone” is archaic. It may of been a valid identity at one time earlier but it no longer is. That is my opinion. If I was asked to attend a FZ or Indie courseroom, I’d run to the Indie crse rm. it seems you generated a pissing match for nothing because you say you are and have always been an Independent Scientologist
Gary Jackson Morehead Continued…. And I’ll take that at face value but…… Where is your public proclamation as such?? I’ve never seen one, can’t find one but that dosent mean I think your a dick, I just havnt seen one so I’m left questioning your motives and standard KSW application. Today’s standard of claim to being an Independent is through a factual public announcement giving specifics. More…
Gary Jackson Morehead I can tell you I’ve given mine, many times over for that matter, and can factually find many others. Seeing these proves to me these folks have and are facing the criminal for all that he is David Miscavige, head on, that they no longer prescribe to his wicked ways or with those who choose to. More….
Gary Jackson Morehead I’ve said my view and peace to you good sir, thanks for listening. Oh one more thing, it is evident you have not applied a Scn Ethics basic tool called THE ABILITY TO REASON in your communication with my good dear close friend, brother, and loyal man Steve. Please use the tool before you post your next reply to him or I will find you, activate any dental plan you may possess and piss in your cornflakes before slamming your fingers in the door to prevent you from further degradation of a good man.
Gary Jackson Morehead Btw…. I’m typing this all through my iPhone so please excuse typos/ grammatical / auto corrects in my communication with you.
Betsy Reppen “I think many people don’t have a clue about covert counter intelligence operations and as a result, didn’t realize the very people pushing squirrel actions were undercover OSA agents.” Certainly didn’t know that! Holy shit! And many other expletives I can think of. This leads me to PT thinking about the counter intelligence ops that have occurred to drive people completely away from the tech. In our own camp, after what happened to my husband in 1987 this resulted in him not willing to audit or receive auditing again this life. A Class 9 was totally taken out! Thanks to Steve & Marty’s sites the engram was getting auditing out slowly but surely and now, Mike is co-auditing the Super Power Ethics Repair Rundown, Nots style as he is OT 5, and winning. Furthermore he has originated that he is willing to audit friends if they want it, he is not hanging a shingle, but is willing to use the tech on others once again. This is a huge stride, fuck you OSA/DM, you didn’t win assholes!
David LaCroix You’re so full of shit Steve Hall your eyes are brown. Attacking auditors and upstats? I’m not going to waste the breadth, or in this case bytes, it would take to refute every assertion you’ve made because talking to crazy people is a waste.
Your Taliban style re-definition of what it means to be a Scientologist and re-writing of history is laughable.
P.S Please don’t steal any more of my ideas for websites without giving credit or posting links to www.scientolipedia.org.
Using the superior technology of the semantic wiki to promote true information about LRH, Scientology, Scientologists and the Tech was my idea. And it’s made Scientolipedia the highest ranked good news, truthful and open site on the subject matter. All Scientologists are welcome, not just the ones who support your perverted brand.
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Bob Grant Personally, I agree that groups have probably evolved from their earlier roots, and today some may bear little to no resemblance to the original incarnations.
I believe as LRH did, that Scientology works, so people evolve. To view people today with the same view you had of them many years earlier, negative views, simply tells me you don’t believe Scientology works. Any Scientology tech, no matter of alterations all around, can bring about change. To deny that another has benefited regardless because their circumstances is/was not ideal, is evaluative to the extreme.
For me, if anyone wants to help, is willing to follow the groups path, then they are welcome.
In my opinion, LRH would agree.
Ronnie Bell David LaCroix, I tried to tell you months ago, that if you lie down with dogs, you’re gonna wake up with fleas. You welcome and support Freezoners and admitted squirrels on your site. Just be willing to accept the effects of your own cause. That is all.
Haydn James Steve, I don’t think you should mince your words, man. LOL. But on a more serious note: The Freezone or a fair portion of it does have an “anything goes” line of out-tech running through its delivery of the tech. I have met two PCs who had squirrel NOTs delivered to them by a Freezoner despite the fact that they were lower level cases. Note: that is two serious points of out-tech. Another PC I met was offered Dianetics by a prominent Freezoner, even if he was Clear, just had to ask for it and it would be done despite the fact that LRH forbids such. That was at a Freezone convention in Vegas. Then I’ve run into the nutty Capt Bill Robertson OT levels which are available “if you want them”. Really? As for crazies that do Skype auditing, I know of two PCs receiving it as I write this. Now, interestingly, the one thing that will stop people leaving DM is if OSA can characterize the field as grossly out-tech and truly squirrel. “They are squirrels” is already a well worn OSA line, hence “Squirrel Busters.” If there was some real truth to their it would be a disaster. So a distinction MUST be made between elements of the Freezone and Independent Scientology unless and until the Freezone elemnts get their act together. It simply has to be I’m afraid. It really serves OSA to merge the two, even to just blur the line between the Freezone and the Indies helps OSA. Please note, I don’t give rat’s ass about my or anyone else’s image but I do care whether more and more people are released from DM’s entrapment.
Scott Campbell I can see a few (very few) farewell tears on the horizon…
Ronnie Bell Thank you, Betsy!
Ronnie Bell Me neither! LOL
Karry Campbell Patricia Krenik has been removed from the group. This should be a wake-up call to any others who persist in flouting the stipulations predicated in the Indie Scientologist group guidelines.
Karry Campbell To Wit:
Indie Scientologist Group Guidelines
Independent Scientologists are Scientologists who recognize that the current Church of Scientology management is out-ethics, out-tech and off policy and is thus losing the technology of Dianetics and …See More
Ronnie Bell Well Karry, it’s not like you didn’t give Pat a ton of chances to get a grip on the differences between the Freezone and the Independent movement. She made her choice.
Ronnie Bell Karry, I think your group guidelines say it all. We Independents have a right to freely practice our religion as laid down by its founder, and associate with those who choose to do likewise. In return, we grant all those who don’t agree with us, the right to freely practice whatever they wish on their own terms, and in their own groups. Just not here. In time, the marketplace will separate the losers and the winners.
Eileen Clark Like it or not, Steve speaks sooth. Only the truth sets us free and facing
what IS, not what we prefer, is the the only place to start confronting